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August 2nd, 2012 (11:12 pm)

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Posted by: lightningnettle (lightningnettle)
Posted at: August 3rd, 2012 06:17 am (UTC)

That's a lot of C-gas!

R-79 is cleverer than he looks. I've only noticed Klaus using C-gas before, so I'm guessing it's Wulfenbach forces. But why do they so want our RBHR?

Posted by: turk187 (turk187)
Posted at: August 3rd, 2012 06:33 am (UTC)

we are only seeing the bit of space around him, but I would guess the canisters are being rained on the whole city from airships. Knock out the whole town and then step in a take it.

Posted by: lightningnettle (lightningnettle)
Posted at: August 3rd, 2012 06:38 am (UTC)

That makes a lot of sense, I think you must be right; and given the new plan to take Agatha prisoner, it makes sense as a tactic for Wulfenbach to use.

Except, DK shouldn't be affected by it. Wonder what he's up to.

Edited at 2012-08-03 06:47 am (UTC)

Posted by: Ариох (the_arioch)
Posted at: August 3rd, 2012 06:50 am (UTC)

That is just comic, i understand, still

1) While the density of canisters is tremendous just before our eyes, it is quickly lowers down in just few meters onward and there is basically no single canister in ~20 meters on ward.
2) The canisters are really raining right over RBHR, just like case shots. If they really wanna cover hole city with such a rain - then those canisters seems to cover all the ground surface of Mechancsburg. Okay, let it be 25% of it. I do not believe those dirigibles had volume enough to carry such a lot of canisters, let alone lifting force.
3) why those blocks right behind R-79 are smoking (or dusting) like if they were shot and fallen down just right off ?

Why should anyone want RBHR ? Well, maybe because they are actively going the streets and Baron want to force everyone into their houses.
Maybe because they are brigade of HR, and Baron wants castle left with as little repairing options as possible.

But that is not what really surprise me...

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Posted by: lightningnettle (lightningnettle)
Posted at: August 3rd, 2012 04:31 pm (UTC)

True, however, as someone else pointed out, the leader of the troops chasing the Vespiaries thought it would be a good plan to gas the whole town; so I'd assume he thought that there'd be enough to do so. We'll have to wait and see what's happening elsewhere.

Posted by: midnightchemist (midnightchemist)
Posted at: August 3rd, 2012 07:09 pm (UTC)

Which makes one wonder if they could have done this all along, why didn't they do this before? It would have been so much more simple to just dump the C-gas, collect Gil from Castle Wulfenbach, and then reduce the city to ashes before Gil ever wakes up from the effects.

Could have saved volumes of comic and a lot of our time, but then we couldn't have had all the expository dialog and "character development" (read: changing character motivations contriently to fit the overcomplecated plot).

Posted by: Walter Matera (waltermatera)
Posted at: August 3rd, 2012 10:13 pm (UTC)

Because they couldn't do it all along. Nor was there any motivation to do so. Klaus is playing a game. He realizes he's been wasped. That's why he told that bogus fairy tale to Philbert-the-story-teller. Now that his son is "safe" he's resisting Lunevka's commands in the best way he can, by being passive/aggressive in his compliance. Dumping C gas on a town in the face of an impending storm is poor NBC tactics. In fact, it's darned near useless. Chemical warfare is a touchy business and wind and rain can make it a waste of time. Lunevka, like most civilians, doesn't realize this so Klaus can make like he's attacking the town while completely failing to take it . . . on purpose.

Posted by: glorin (glorin)
Posted at: August 4th, 2012 02:26 am (UTC)

NBC? Thanks in advance.

Posted by: W. Iserman (regalpewter)
Posted at: August 4th, 2012 06:35 am (UTC)

NBC = Nuclear, Biological, Chemical
Military shorthand for these type of attacks...
Really not a comment on poor coverage of an Olympic Games...


Posted by: glorin (glorin)
Posted at: August 5th, 2012 11:06 pm (UTC)

Ah, makes sense. Thanks again.

Posted by: Ариох (the_arioch)
Posted at: August 6th, 2012 07:23 am (UTC)

Oh,i though that was

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via abbreviations.com/NBC

Posted by: murgatroyd666 (murgatroyd666)
Posted at: August 4th, 2012 07:09 am (UTC)
vonzinzer hmm1

I suspect that you're right, and I do hope that that's the reason.

Alas, we don't know for sure that Klaus realizes he's being controlled by Lunevka -- the fairy tale might have been a warning to Gil that Klaus was wasped and could be controlled by Agatha, the Heterodyne Princess. We don't even know for sure that Klaus knows he's been wasped (although I think he does); it's been asserted that the Professors say that revenants aren't aware that they've been wasped.

*blink* One of the things that Gil should do is ask himself what the point was of telling Phil the Storyteller the madwolf tale and telling Phil that Gil had the rare book. If it supposedly wasn't to give Gil the message that Klaus was wasped, what was the point?

I hope we get back to Gil soon ...

Posted by: lightningnettle (lightningnettle)
Posted at: August 4th, 2012 04:22 pm (UTC)

Klaus recognized Lu-in-Agatha when still dazed by the initial wasp attack, I'd be surprised if he hadn't recognized Lu-in-Anevka within minutes of her presence in his hospital room.

Now, it is also true that Klaus could well have been warning Gil not only that Klaus himself was wasped; but that Lu-in-Agatha was a controller. He knows that Gil loves Agatha and I don't think he knows that Gil knows about Lu-in-Agatha; warning Gil about her would be high priority. It's all wonderfully tangled, isn't it. :)

Posted by: Ариох (the_arioch)
Posted at: August 6th, 2012 07:40 am (UTC)

"dazed by the initial wasp attack"
That's it.

He was still in control of himself.

While i think revenants do know who they are but find it okay or even enjoyable, still the rumors say like WOG was revenants are not aware.

1) there are three type of revenants. Voodoo-zombie kind. "Normal people" kind (like that messenger caught earlier on dirigible). Spark ones. We do not know *which* revenants are not aware and if it does propagate to other kinds. Especially spark kinds.
2) It could be that rooted wasp blocks some senses and the person (if infected while sleeping for example) would really get no way to know about himself. But there is a time window between ingested and fully controlled, and Klauss was fully alert in that time.

All in all, Klauss *might* be aware about the episode of Lugatha wasping him, yet blocked and blinded to realize who is Lunevka.

I find it dubious yet possible.

Though that would make Klauss constantly ask himself "what's wrong with me, what the heck made me do it? and that ? and even that ? what's driving me???" which for him would be enough to realize, even if he was stripped of direct knowledge.

Posted by: Ариох (the_arioch)
Posted at: August 6th, 2012 07:03 am (UTC)

Well, i would not render out possibilities for the Castle to have air filtering or other anti-gas measures. Not the rest of the city though.

So now, when all important persons are out of the Castle, that makes more sense.

However there are still those not breathing mecha cats...

Posted by: Ариох (the_arioch)
Posted at: August 3rd, 2012 06:40 am (UTC)

Well, that WAS reminding me of Lost Coast1) day before yesterday.

Hopefully there is gas only...

What is really strange is that castle made no early warnings.
In this universe der Kestle acts as both radar and control computer in SDI/NORAD sense.

der Kestle should see the attack and start issuing warnings far before von Zinzer could hear it! But he was totally caught idling and non-ready.

1) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-Life_2:_Lost_Coast

Edited at 2012-08-03 06:54 am (UTC)

Posted by: momcat09 (momcat09)
Posted at: August 3rd, 2012 11:18 am (UTC)

You're right... but DK is still running on very low power. My guess is that it takes way less power for it to work out whether its peripherals are online than to actively power up its defense system... wonder if this attack is what's gonna get Agatha & co. out of Mechanicsburg for the next phase of the story..?

As usual, this plus around $2.50 will getcha a cup of coffee in most places..

Posted by: Ариох (the_arioch)
Posted at: August 3rd, 2012 12:14 pm (UTC)

a cup of [c-gas-]sparkling coffee u meant ?

Posted by: momcat09 (momcat09)
Posted at: August 4th, 2012 02:17 am (UTC)

For that relaxing evening brew...!

Posted by: Ариох (the_arioch)
Posted at: August 3rd, 2012 12:19 pm (UTC)

No really, that is not that alien association...

  • IF Lunevka would manage to make some hive engine and control/capture small flying wasps, and...
  • IF some production line would be capable of putting those insects into those capsules and make sure they would survive the flight and crash-landing and able to get out after, and...
  • IF Klaus would manage to conceal it from some and convince others...

Then such targetted bombing of head-quaters and leaders with sleeping gas and wasplings might be damn effective strategy against the city :-(

Edited at 2012-08-03 12:20 pm (UTC)

Posted by: vulpisfoxfire (vulpisfoxfire)
Posted at: August 3rd, 2012 10:15 pm (UTC)
Sleepy fox

That *could* be the bit that von Zinzer and gang are in the process of fixing....

*gang gets through the gas attack and the following Merry Mayhem, and finally fixes what they were send to fix*
Kestle: "Ah, excellent--now I can give you warnings about attacks in the area, such as airships dropping bombs on you."
von Zinzer: (dryly) "Gee, thanks. That'll be a help." (wide shot to the aftermath of said Mayhem...)

Posted by: Ариох (the_arioch)
Posted at: August 6th, 2012 07:09 am (UTC)

...and above all those ruins, the voice:

"and BTW, herr von Zinzer, i can see i have a bit more work assigned to your team"

I tend to think that trapped inside the castle was LESS punishment than that workloads outside it :-)

Posted by: Ариох (the_arioch)
Posted at: August 6th, 2012 07:11 am (UTC)
...in the process of fixing

Don't think so.

Remember when statues went glowing with fire and flew up to attack dirigibles. The Castle might be disabled looking faraway, yet it is fully confident what happens immediately above its head. As soon as he could empower those statues, it already made a strike-back to push dirigibles out of city perimeter.

Posted by: anisosynchronic (anisosynchronic)
Posted at: August 4th, 2012 04:19 pm (UTC)

Grrr, I don't WANT a to follow a stinking wikipedia link for a definition, just give the blasted definition!

Posted by: Ариох (the_arioch)
Posted at: August 6th, 2012 07:33 am (UTC)

definition is "Lost Coast"
enough for those knowing the whereabouts

for those who do not, some site is anyway needed to give them context of game universe and that level map in particular. Wikipedia is not worse of those.
You don't need it - you don;'t follow it. Simple.

Posted by: George Anderson (stdharma)
Posted at: August 3rd, 2012 08:46 am (UTC)
First Rule
Klaus Defence League

"All warfare is based on deception." Sun Tzu.

If the town is gearing for a massive destructive assault, then the only sensible strategy is to attack to knock out, not destroy. Taking the town is easier then....and besides, Agatha cannot win all the time.

Posted by: Allison E. Kaese aka Aylinn Von Kaese (aylinn)
Posted at: August 3rd, 2012 02:45 pm (UTC)
Re: First Rule

Yes she can. She's the hero! And even her mother admitted: "They always win!"


Posted by: madfilkentist (madfilkentist)
Posted at: August 3rd, 2012 03:00 pm (UTC)
Re: First Rule

She at least has to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat now and then, or we get bored.

Posted by: midnightchemist (midnightchemist)
Posted at: August 3rd, 2012 03:01 pm (UTC)
Re: First Rule

"...Agatha cannot win all the time."

Which is what I have been basically saying since near the beginning of this arc, even though a lot of people on this forum shot me down and called me a troll for saying so.

My position has always been that Agatha would live to fight another day, but Mechanicsburg would be lost to her (for the time being). This would allow the Lucrezia a massive victory, and have our heroes scattered and scrabbling against an enemy that is not only seemingly unstoppable, but who has already "won". This dials the dramatic tension up to eleven. What is more epic than facing an enemy so powerful there is no likely or certain way to stop her? This has been used so offen it has become formulaic in fantasy writting.

Combine this with what we read in Othar's Twitter, and it becomes impossible to see any other outcome for the Mechanicsburg Arc, or any other directiion the story could go.

Posted by: Juliet Valcouer (julietvalcouer)
Posted at: August 3rd, 2012 06:30 pm (UTC)
Re: First Rule

It would also be motivation to start the "traveling" arc the Professors have mentioned--if LuNevZola/Klaus hold Mechanicsburg and the underpowered Castle is limited in its usefulness (didn't it tell Agatha it would take a few YEARS to be back up and running fully?) Agatha and Co. need allies and safer bases. We know there's the Master of Paris, an "ally" or at least not opponent, but not vassal, of Klaus's. There's Albia, who isn't an outright enemy of Klaus but no friend either. Skifander not only could be a resource but the answer to some of the questions of what happened to Klaus when Lucrezia sent him away. And if their ultimate goal is to take out the other, then the Geisterdamen City of Silver Light is a logical destination.

Posted by: midnightchemist (midnightchemist)
Posted at: August 3rd, 2012 06:50 pm (UTC)
Re: First Rule

Three years, if I remember correctly. However, the Castle has eluded (at least twice) that is has something of a "special project" it is working on. My guess, whatever it is, it will allow Agatha to retake Mechanicsburg once the Castle is up to full power...

... but that will take awhile. In the meantime, Agatha will have to retreat - if not for her own sake, but for the sake of the people of Mechanicsburg.

And, in the long run, for the sake of all of Europe as well.

Posted by: Walter Matera (waltermatera)
Posted at: August 3rd, 2012 07:37 pm (UTC)
Re: First Rule

Perhaps, but Klaus is subverting Lunevka through passive/agressive obedience. His current general staff are clowns, he sent in his Spec Ops without proper support and C-gas is probably the softest weapon in his armory. There's a storm coming up which means wind and that will negate the effects of gas. Lucrezia in whatever body she is inhabiting is a nasty civilian who has no clue what Klaus is really doing. So this isn't a serious attack and will be thwarted. My guess is that it will take the arrival of the monsters from Sturmhalten to get the team on the road. Besides, they have to pick up Gil somewhere along the line. Remember the time window . . .

Posted by: glorin (glorin)
Posted at: August 4th, 2012 02:32 am (UTC)
Re: First Rule

I generally agree with you, and would add that in addition to Lucrezia being a civilian, she is an extremely arrogant and overconfident civilian.

Posted by: Walter Matera (waltermatera)
Posted at: August 5th, 2012 03:57 am (UTC)
Re: First Rule

Of which 'certain governments' have an astonishingly large number.

Posted by: Ариох (the_arioch)
Posted at: August 6th, 2012 07:00 am (UTC)
Re: First Rule

Castle would not survive fall of the city for long.

It would be very foolish to both Klaus and Lucrezia to let it remain independant player.

It should either be conquered and disassembled for studying, or demolished.

Posted by: midnightchemist (midnightchemist)
Posted at: August 6th, 2012 02:30 pm (UTC)
Re: First Rule

Agreed. That is why Tikktoffen's Castle Control Device surviving under that pillar is an attactive McGuffin. It could allow Zola to be declaired the Heterodyne without any credible opposition. At that point, demolishing it is not a vialble opinion if they want to maintain the ruse.

However, I think Lucrezia's time as Bill's wife allowed her a lot of insight into how the Castle operates. After all, she did download a part of it's mind into the Muse body. She would have to have some understanding of its functionality to do that effectively.

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Posted by: murgatroyd666 (murgatroyd666)
Posted at: August 4th, 2012 07:15 am (UTC)
Re: Which direction wil this go?

At this time, all we do know is the authors are intending to move to action to Paris and then to England "soon".

Just as we're going to learn who and what Higgs is "Real Soon Now."

Does Agatha slip Klaus'/Lucrezia's trap and make a run for it?

Or make a dig for it? That might be why the Mecha Mole was conveniently left in the Great Hospital's courtyard.

Posted by: Steve Hutchison (foomf)
Posted at: August 4th, 2012 12:23 am (UTC)

I personally wonder if this is an indicator that the Trip Through Time is about to commence, or at least, its immediate setup.

Posted by: murgatroyd666 (murgatroyd666)
Posted at: August 4th, 2012 07:16 am (UTC)

I'd bet that's at least eight volumes away.

Posted by: complexphoenix (complexphoenix)
Posted at: August 4th, 2012 12:30 am (UTC)

I reckon the objective is to create a cloud of C-gas so large it will spread everywhere, all through everything, and no one will be able to escape it. Then they can go in and take everyone prisoner.

Of course, the Castle will be unaffected, and it will use everything it has to protect the Lady. Even with limited power, if it ignores all else and focuses solely on protecting her, it'll be very formidable. Also, most constructs are unaffected by C-gas, right? You need D-gas to knock them out, I believe.

Posted by: murgatroyd666 (murgatroyd666)
Posted at: August 4th, 2012 07:18 am (UTC)
vonzinzer hmm1

Von Pinn was knocked out by C-gas when she was about to kill Bang.

Posted by: Argadi (argadi)
Posted at: August 4th, 2012 10:03 am (UTC)

No, that was D-gas.

Comic of 20040906 (when I post a link my comment is marked as spam).

Posted by: murgatroyd666 (murgatroyd666)
Posted at: August 4th, 2012 05:36 pm (UTC)
vonzinzer ah-

Aha! You're right!

The spam filter is frustrating, isn't it? I usually get around it by giving the URL without the prefix: www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040906

Posted by: Ариох (the_arioch)
Posted at: August 6th, 2012 07:28 am (UTC)

just remove both prefixes, both protocol and www domain sub-name

Like girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040906
That makes it without splitting and works enough for most of sites.

Dunno what the gas was, but don't see anything wrong with constructs falling for C-gas. They are modified humans after all. And depending on how far each certain one was moved from human biology, he would be more or less affected by anti-human weaponry.

Edited at 2012-08-06 07:29 am (UTC)

Posted by: anisosynchronic (anisosynchronic)
Posted at: August 4th, 2012 04:22 pm (UTC)

Shouldn't Agatha's armor have filtration on it or even self-contained breathing apparatus?

Posted by: Walter Matera (waltermatera)
Posted at: August 5th, 2012 03:57 am (UTC)

Perhaps but the last time we saw her she was outside the armor.

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