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Posted by: murgatroyd666 (murgatroyd666)
Posted at: July 20th, 2012 06:41 am (UTC)

Hmm. Is he wondering whether Gil could resist, or whether Klaus could?

Back when Agatha was first taken on board Castle Wulfenbach, did Boris ever see Gil disobey an order from Agatha?

Did Boris recognize the Command Harmonics in Lunevka's voice?

Edited at 2012-07-20 06:44 am (UTC)

Posted by: Ариох (the_arioch)
Posted at: July 20th, 2012 06:49 am (UTC)

Uh-oh! it is someone 3rd!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugue_state
Cant connect it with neither Klauss nor Gil. Not even Agatha.


Edited at 2012-07-20 06:50 am (UTC)

Posted by: Ian Borchardt (reverancepavane)
Posted at: July 20th, 2012 09:17 am (UTC)
Wulfenbach

In this case the fugue state is referencing when Sparks "get all sparky" and ignore everything happening around them in order to complete their new psychotronically-enhanced vampire squid on roller skates (or whatever other mad science project they are currently undertaking). It really is a classic fugue state - they have no idea about what went on around them at the time.

[The DSM IV Psychiatric disorders definition is not a good layman source of information, or rather, it refers to a specific clinical condition of amnesia, rather than the general state.]

Given that most Sparks can't control themselves when they fugue, it's not surprising for Boris to ask the question as to whether something else could control them whilst they are in the moment.

Klaus seems to have better control than most Sparks, but then again, he really doesn't have that much time to play in the lab given his concerns of Pax Europa. Gil does it occasionally (for example, concentrating about improving the falling flying machine whilst falling from the sky instead of repairing it, and Agatha getting lost in a daze as she concentrates on a project have been a major theme since her blackouts started the whole ball rolling. [The Murderball will return in 23 hours 17 minutes.]

Edited at 2012-07-20 09:20 am (UTC)

Posted by: Ариох (the_arioch)
Posted at: July 20th, 2012 09:50 am (UTC)

Even then, Klaus was definitely not in the heat, when infected.
Gil ? Would Boris have any reason to think hi was in heat when out of castle ?

Anyway can't connect Boris's remark to none of those.

Posted by: Bunsen (bunsen_h)
Posted at: July 20th, 2012 02:57 pm (UTC)

I don't think Boris was asking about being in Spark mode at the time of infection -- he wants to know about an infected person resisting orders while in Spark mode.

Posted by: lightningnettle (lightningnettle)
Posted at: July 20th, 2012 03:07 pm (UTC)

I agree, he wants to know if a Spark in the Madness Place can resist orders; and I bet Boris would know how best to get Klaus there, with all their long years of association. It's a clever thought.

Posted by: Bunsen (bunsen_h)
Posted at: July 20th, 2012 03:31 pm (UTC)

"Herr Baron! Look at these plans for a wonderful device that Dr. Fubar has come up with!"

"WHAT? THIS IS NONSENSE! I CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS IN MY SLEEP!"

(On further thought... Klaus is pretty good at self-control. It would have to be a very complex device, with a very subtle but serious flaw. And it may be that he's been ordered not to go Sparky — that would kill any such plan by Boris.)

Edited at 2012-07-20 04:02 pm (UTC)

Posted by: lightningnettle (lightningnettle)
Posted at: July 20th, 2012 04:09 pm (UTC)

It's a prototype device, and this Lu at least doesn't strike me as a creative thinker. I'm not sure she'd think to give that order.

At least Boris is thinking and investigating.

Your scenario made me grin; it's almost exactly what happened to Gil in Dr. Beetle's lab. It would be such a very nice parallel if Boris did it to Klaus, and a nice family resemblance too.

Posted by: Ариох (the_arioch)
Posted at: July 20th, 2012 04:43 pm (UTC)

does Lunevka construct at least some helper devices now ?

it would be funny thing to get in rage at her devices, and to re-make and damage them, having a perfect excuse

and once again rendering her suspicious

Posted by: Elizabeth McCoy (archangelbeth)
Posted at: July 20th, 2012 04:51 pm (UTC)
The Device

It's an interesting question, whether a mechanical mind can hold the Spark... Considering that the Dingbots go sparking, kinda...

Posted by: amigoid (amigoid)
Posted at: July 20th, 2012 07:18 pm (UTC)

Dingbots are self-replicating, atfer a fashion, they are not sparks in the true sense. I doubt they could make coffee. Probably just tea.

But they are repairers, not creators.

Posted by: stalkingheron (stalkingheron)
Posted at: July 20th, 2012 08:46 pm (UTC)

Hey-hey-hey! Don't dis the tea! Making coffee is a science--but making tea is both science and art. One takes talented minions. The other requires the True Spark.

(grins, ducks, runs away....)

Posted by: Elizabeth McCoy (archangelbeth)
Posted at: July 21st, 2012 03:31 am (UTC)

Posted by: Ариох (the_arioch)
Posted at: July 23rd, 2012 07:46 am (UTC)

they were fighting for power, they were constructing more or less replicas of themselves, they successfully addressed some problem both of engineering (fix something) and military (fly away from sentry and deliver message) kind.

So Agatha's dingbots are sure intelligent. But i cannot recall them being spark-like geniuses, less to say spark themselves

Posted by: Bunsen (bunsen_h)
Posted at: July 20th, 2012 05:36 pm (UTC)

There's no indication so far that the copies of Lucrezia have the Spark, as far as I recall. Zola, with the copy of Lucrezia to draw upon, seemed to stick with existing devices rather than coming up with anything new.

Posted by: murgatroyd666 (murgatroyd666)
Posted at: July 21st, 2012 01:08 am (UTC)

There's no indication so far that the copies of Lucrezia have the Spark, as far as I recall.

Actually there is evidence of this. Lunevka improved Dr. Sun's medical devices to enable Zola to have an unexpectedly swift recovery.

Posted by: lightningnettle (lightningnettle)
Posted at: July 21st, 2012 07:44 pm (UTC)

Posted by: geekhyena (geekhyena)
Posted at: July 21st, 2012 02:58 am (UTC)

Well, Lu-in-Agatha seemed Sparky enough....Sparky mind + Sparky host body, perhaps? Whereas Zola is not a Spark, so no Sparky effects.

Posted by: murgatroyd666 (murgatroyd666)
Posted at: July 21st, 2012 07:24 pm (UTC)

Posted by: geekhyena (geekhyena)
Posted at: July 21st, 2012 08:41 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Ариох (the_arioch)
Posted at: July 23rd, 2012 07:47 am (UTC)

Zola has an effectively deactivated detached "Lu-in-the-cage"
So this proves nothing but the fact that Zola is not spark herself.

Posted by: midnightchemist (midnightchemist)
Posted at: July 20th, 2012 07:43 am (UTC)

"Hmm. Is he wondering whether Gil could resist, or whether Klaus could?"

It is possible that Boris is directing his questions in order to figure out if either Gil or Klaus is wasped, or if both of them are. He is likely trying to find out who he can trust and who he should help if he can.

Remember, however, it was Boris that revealed in dialog a while back that Klaus only listened to "Princess Ankevna" and could keep him calm. Plus, I think Boris was also there when Gil and Tarvek were talking about the possibility that the Baron was wasped. Boris just needs to add two and two together, and I know he has the brains to do that.

I think we can now appreciate why Boris is the Baron's second-in-command.

As for the your other two questions, I would have to say no, but I'm just going on memory. Just on logic, however, if Agatha ever gave Gil an order and Boris was present, I think he would think that was odd, at very least. I also get the impression that only those that are wasped would recognize the commmand harmonics, but only on a subconscous level. Kaja has said that Klaus doesn't know that Lukevna is controling him, and if you remember Snoug acted like a complete zombie when Lugatha started issuing commands, but went back to normal soon afterward. The only exception was that weird doctor in the beginning that activated the Hive Engine on Castle Wulfenbach - he was aware of being controled. Which seems inconsitant.

Posted by: Elizabeth McCoy (archangelbeth)
Posted at: July 20th, 2012 04:53 pm (UTC)
AgathaGlare

The Weird Doctor was aware... but then, he wasn't following an instant command in the presence of his Mistress. He was told, "Isn't there something you need to be doing?" Which required him to think, and act outside her immediate vicinity. And, hm, implies that he may have had prior instructions?? Because "shine my shoes" might also count. Although "Airship Domination" is a pretty likely assumption.

Posted by: Persephone (persephone_kore)
Posted at: July 21st, 2012 06:02 pm (UTC)

There's also Vrin, of course, who obeyed Lucrezia instantly but fought against following Agatha's commands. The degree to which this was a matter of Agatha not using the Voice quiiiiite right vs. Agatha not being the one Vrin was actually loyal to/had imprinted on is not yet wholly certain, but Vrin definitely knew when she was being hit with it.

Posted by: Elizabeth McCoy (archangelbeth)
Posted at: July 22nd, 2012 02:36 am (UTC)
AgathaGlare

And it occurs to me that Fraulein Snaug may, perhaps, be a bit prone to odd states of mind anyway -- didn't her Spark-master say something about brainwiping her memories away every now and then?

Posted by: Persephone (persephone_kore)
Posted at: July 22nd, 2012 07:09 am (UTC)

Ah, good point, I'd forgotten about that -- every year for her birthday.

Posted by: turbobeholder (turbobeholder)
Posted at: July 20th, 2012 05:04 pm (UTC)
he came secretly...
periscope

...and started with a warning. So he suspects the fan is hit, with a missile. The attack on the Vespiary Squad was kind of a dead giveaway.
So, by now his main question is whether it's about Klaus alone or not. And he suspects Klaus plays dumb or otherwise resists his orders.

Posted by: vulpisfoxfire (vulpisfoxfire)
Posted at: July 20th, 2012 07:20 pm (UTC)
Re: he came secretly...
Bored fox

Well that...and Boris is realizing that as soon as whoever's pulling the strings realizes that Mr. Head is one of the few sources of infomation that may reveal the game, Mr. Head is likely to join the rest of his body...

Posted by: Flora (sveethot)
Posted at: July 21st, 2012 08:33 pm (UTC)
Re: he came secretly...

... or someone's body.

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