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If it wasn't for the fact that we /saw/ the Baron get wasped, I'd be having some serious second thoughts right now.Even knowing that, however, I can't help but wonder, even if only for a second: is it possible?Well done, Foglios!
Oh, I know what you mean! This could definitely be an alternate hypothesis to the entire story thus far, **especially** for characters that don't have the benefit of omnipotent narrators telling the story to them via the media of tri-weekly comics!All of this just looks very, VERY bad from Gil's point of view. He's hearing something that sounds very much like the truth from someone he trusts deeply and it cements suspicions against someone he's never trusted. I doubt any of this is going to turn Gil against Agatha, but I would not want to be in Tarvek's shoes the next time those two meet. Especially if Bang is actually being poisoned by the wasp cure!
Part of what I think is happening here is the Baron throwing up enough misinformation to cast suspicion away from himself as being wasped (likely on Lunevka's orders). The original reaction to Gil from the weasel was "Meh", which seems to be the default one if someone is clean. This new scenario also gives Gil a reason to go along to his confinement quietly. Though if Gil had been wasped and had imprinted on Zola, it would explain his innate need to protect and rescue her -- which is what he's thinking himself right now. Gil could easily have been an early test subject for the Knights of Jove, especially if they didn't know who he really was. Tarvek was pretty much convinced that Gil was anything but the Baron's natural son and Klaus did keep a very tight lid on his son's existence from the get go. Experimenting on Gil Hollzfaller, parentless hick spark from Nowhere, Bavaria, could be seen as an acceptable risk. If he should die or be turned into a shuffling revenant, who cares? However, experimenting on Gilgamesh Wulfenbach, son of super-protective and powerful Klaus Wulfenbach, might too big a risk, especially if things went wrong.How much do you think the Baron knows about Zola or does he know about her at all? I doubt Lunevka will say anything -- she wouldn't want to draw any undue attention to Zola by the Baron's folks. Who exactly dug up these conveniently discovered notes in this secret lab? Easy money is on "Princess Anevka, heroine of the town and loyal vassal to the Empire".
Oh, Bang spent more time with Tarvek than Gil; how interesting!Nonsense about Gil being wasped in Paris; the spark wasp is recent, I believe Tarvek about this. Plus, Agatha's yelled at Gil enough and I don't believe he's obeyed her every time, though I'd have to do a review to be absolutely certain. This twaddle is disinformation, either by the Baron or by someone in Sturmhalten.Bang poisoned. Hmm. Maybe Gil's secret lab is still secret then. Oooh. So much here. Can hardly wait to hear what you clever folks notice that I missed!
Nonsense about Gil being wasped in Paris; the spark wasp is recent, I believe Tarvek about this.Yes -- we've seen this! Now ... Has Bang really been poisoned? Was it merely a side effect of Tarvek's Wasp Repellent? Was Tarvek's Wasp Repellent actually poison? Or was she poisoned by Lunevka when she realized that Bang couldn't be wasped?
Love that ambiguity!Klaus's explanation could even be true, or it could be a clever story that Lunevka cooked up. Either way, it's plausible that Klaus believes it and we are seeing his unfeigned reaction to the scenario. (It's also possible that he knows it's not true, but is doing a very good job of acting because Lunevka ordered him to.)Edit: It's not true, as lightningnettle pointed out above -- the Spark Wasp is NEW. (Unless someone shipped some Spark Wasps back in time to Paris using a Time Portal. But I'm grasping at straws.)If it's true that Bang has been poisoned, Tarvek could be eeeeeevilll ... because the supposed Wasp Repellent also would have poisoned Gil if he had taken it ... (For the record, I think Tarvek might be a little bit evil, but nowhere near that evil!)Whether it's true or not, Tarvek is gonna get blamed for it!Edited at 2012-04-09 06:26 am (UTC)
that may be the reaction at attempted wasping ?we do not know how the potion works, nor how Baron would react if he attempted to wasp her and failed
Oh, another complication: Gil said the magic word -- Zola! What will Gil tell Klaus about her, if anything? Is she on board Castle Wulfenbach? Will Gil encounter her there?Edited at 2012-04-09 06:31 am (UTC)
...remember how Gil would auto-rescue her? All the time? Like, from Tarvek?[shivers]
Boris looks very attentive in that second panel. I wonder what's going through that clever mind with perfect recall? Also, panel seven, I don't know, admittedly he's a parent; but it doesn't ring true for me that the Baron would be so *melodramatic*. He's more the aloof/stiff upper lip type.
OH! That's RIGHT. Perfect recall...So, not just a throw-away detail, maybe. It may become a vital bit of information. Kewl!!!!
I just had a really bad thought.What evidence do we have that Tarvek has not been wasped as well??? It's always seemed kind of fishy to me him being in the heart of revenant country and yet decidedly wasp-free. Seems like it would be a good insurance for a well-behaved Storm Kingbut furthermore going on that idea he and Gil being resurrected, if that's the case why didn't that kill off the wasps? we've been told before the only way to get rid of a wasp is to kill the poor schmuck whose brain is being inhabited. technically the turning point for Tarvek being a " good guy " was after being resurrected. as for his notes on the formula...they may very well BE poison which would look extra bad on his part but there's two possibilities if that is the case...1) Tarvek is actually 100 percent evil and deliberately set Gil up or 2) someone tampered with his notes at some point in time without him knowing. Violetta's been the one closest to him...and she's an expert in poisons...
Tarvek tests free of wasps during the Sturmhalten sequence, after the fight with Vrin, when Scorp's Vespiary unit weasel's him, Agatha, and Vrin. He and Agatha test clean, Vrin fails.Gil's not officially died yet in the story. Agatha and Tarvek have, Gil hasn't to the best of our knowledge.Notes could be tampered with, or perhaps the formula does have to be poison to a degree to work: we take a lot of medicines that are both poison and life-saving, depending on many fine variables.
What a mind screw for poor Gil. He really can't be sure of anything now, can he? We know for a fact that the Baron is wasped and under Lu's control, but Gil doesn't know that for a fact. He just knows that this strange storyteller came in and told a weird story and Tarvek interpreted it to mean that Klaus was wasped. If Gil retraces that sequence, he'll see the possibility that Tarvek could have set the whole thing up. At the same time, he doesn't know that the Baron isn't wasped, so this could be a setup by Lu. So unless Gil can use his big Sparky brain to discover a clue that will give it away, he's in a deep fog.
It's worse than that -- Gil has no idea that Lunevka even exists! (And he doesn't know that Zola has survived, either, and he probably doesn't know she controls a copy of the Other in her head.) So Gil may admit to the possibility that Klaus is wasped, but he won't have any idea that there's someone close to him who can control him. It should make much more sense to Gil that Tarvek invented a story about a Spark Wasp to make him mistrust his father.If only Tarvek had been a bit more forthcoming back in the Castle ...Edited at 2012-04-09 03:44 pm (UTC)
Oh my...This seems an excellent ploy to try and sow descent among the members of Team Agatha. Well, at least to insert doubt into the mind of Gil. Still, I'm hoping that Gil will try and confirm his father's story on his own, and find out it doesn't hold water.
Not really surprising, as I guessed a long time ago that the Foglios were going to do something to drive a wedge between Gil and Agatha. All part of the "will they, won't they" trope. This is about the worse thing they could do to do just that.
As strange as this may sound, I'm going to state that I believe that Gil has actually been wasped as the Baron described, if for no other reason that it helps explain Gil's seemingly mindless need to protect Zola. This, of course, would mean that Zola actually has the command voice - which could be possible because if the Mongfish family could devise a way to protect Zola's mind from Lu's download, it wouldn't be that much of a strech to believe that they could alter her voice to mimic the command voice. Since we know that the wasped imprint on the first command voice they hear, it would explain why Gil never reacted to Agatha - he was already imprinted on Zola. Much in the same way Klaus is imprinted on Agatha, and therefore Lunevka because her voice was based on Agatha's. So the only danger Gil is in is from Zola. However, the Baron doesn't know that, and I don't think Gil does either. So, Gil might believe he hasn't been in control of his actions for some time now, and may begin to doubt himself and his feelings toward Agatha. I knew the Foglios were going to drive a wedge between Gil and Agatha somehow, but damn.... this is harsh.For those who say that Tarvek stated that the Spark Wasp that has infected Klaus was the only one in exsistance, I can only say this - I myself did believe that once as well, but in this light of this new information, I think that puts that in serious doubt. While that doesn't mean that Tarvek lied about it, it could mean Tarvek didn't know about what the Mongfishes were doing, and what he thought was a prototype may just have been a one of many Spark Wasps. As a matter of fact, Gil may not have been the only Spark wasped in Paris. According to Gil's story about how he met Zola, I remember him saying that Zola spent a lot of time around all types of Sparks. Zola's mission in Paris may have been just that - to infect as many Sparks as she could as well, not just Gil (I always suspected Zola knew who Gil really was from the start and this page confirms that).Does this mean Tarvek is just an innocent by-stander in all of this? No. Tarvek knew quite a bit about the Other's tech and the plans the Order had, but instead of trying to stop them, he tried instead to co-op the whole thing my trying to gain control of those already wasped to ensure his position as the new Storm King. What this new infomation shows is that Tarvek likely doesn't know as much as he thinks he does, and that makes him dangerous to himself and anyone who takes what he says as absolute fact... including Agatha.
Some things to keep in mind, most of which are explicitly or implicitly part of MC's comment:* The copy of Lucrezia in Lunevka is a newcomer to the political situation in Europa -- she isn't aware of what the Conspiracy has been doing for two decades.* Zola may be privy to Conspiracy information, but she is NOT sharing everything she knows with Lunevka (for the obvious reason that she wants Lunevka to believe that she's just another copy of Lucrezia).* Yes, because she's a Mongfish it's plausible (but not established) that Zola has the Command Voice.* Tarvek knew Zola in Paris and never realized she was anything other than a ditz. Tarvek was being kept in the dark about one key aspect of the Conspiracy ... so it's plausible that he was misled about other things as well, including the prior existence of Spark Wasps.* If Tarvek didn't know about the prior existence of Spark Wasps, Lunevka wouldn't know about them either.* The scenario told to Gil by Klaus was made up by Lunevka. The notebook from the "secret lab" is a fake.* Klaus may be aware that he's lying to Gil, or he may believe it because he's been commanded to by Lunevka. But at this particular point in the story what Klaus thinks doesn't matter. What matters is what he says and does and what he convinces Gil is true.BUT ... my hunch is that completely by accident, Klaus' story that Gil was wasped in Paris will turn out to be true. And Lunevka thinks it's a lie! So if Zola turns up and gives Gil a command, he'll be forced to obey her ... and Lunevka will be in for a BIG surprise!
"Much in the same way Klaus is imprinted on Agatha, and therefore Lunevka because her voice was based on Agatha's."It doesn't work that way. Remember the problems Anevka had in Stormhalten with the people from the theater? They had already imprinted on Agatha, and so were, to an unknown extent, resistant to Anevka's control. So Klaus, if he were imprinted on Lu's version of Agatha's voice, would be somewhat resistant to Anevka as well.The other thing that people seem to be forgetting: we have no idea if the version of Lu in Anevka is a Spark. It seems unlikely, but we really have no basis for even guessing.
I have a question. Is this a new type of weasel? If it is not, and Gil was wasped years ago, WHY has he never had a weasel react to him before now?
Until recently, no one knew that people could be wasped and still act normally. Wasped people turned into revenants who shambled around acting like zombies. It was only after the wasps were set loose on Castle Wulfenbach that the Baron learned that there was a second type of wasp infection. The weasels were probably instantly re-purposed from creatures bred to track slaver wasps to those that could detect the second type of wasp infection.Since no one knew that the second type of infection existed, there would be no reason to test Gil with a weasel. Further, if a weasel did freak out in Gil's presence, it could always be handwaved away by people thinking the weasel was picking up a false scent, Gil isn't good with animals, the critter is going mad, etc. Because unless you're acting like a zombie, you can't be wasped! Gil would be under a second layer of false protection since he's a spark and sparks flat-out can't be wasped! Even more, more reason to never test him before this.So it's not that a weasel has never reacted to Gil, it's more that there's never been a reason to test him or to take a weasel's reaction seriously. Theoretically, he could have been wasped back in Paris and no one realized it before since no one would have even thought to check before.
Looking at the last two pages, what do you think of the idea that the Baron is telling Gil what he really thinks and wants to do when he faces him; and what he doesn't think or want when he faces away from him? Plausible or not?Does anyone else think Gil's posture and expression in the third panel today echo's Tarvek's posture in the silent panel on the page where Higgs smashes Kestle-in-Otilia?
It's plausible, but I wouldn't want to rely on it as a guide. It could still be coincidence at this point. (Also, I went and hunted down that page again just for this, and it kinda does! Nice recall there.)I would also like to commend the Foglios on this twist. It's starting to feel like the Sturmhalten arc all over again, with a new dramatic reversal on every page!
Not buying it. Bang wasn't wasped while it would have been easy to do so with a regular wasp. Spark wasps weren't tested, and they weren't sure it would work on Klaus.It seems to be a better hypothesis that this is fabricated evidence by Lucrezia & co. By now, Lucrezia probably has realized that her direct control on Klaus is not as strong as it should be and she might be trying to guide him along through deception as she used to.Further, Gil clearly did not imprint on Agatha in the Castle. If he was wasped, he should have. All in all, there is something fishy here.