An autumn? What's that?Edit: Oh, never mind. But how does Tarvek know that? Because of the science fair?Edited at 2011-09-12 02:49 am (UTC)
It's from "Color Me Beautiful."Essentially, he's stating that as an "Autumn," she shouldn't be wearing cool colors (and jet black), but should instead be wearing warm ones.The evil queen look is pretty much black and cool colors...
Okay. Now I want Tarvek to do my colors.
Well, if the Storm King thing doesn't work out, he can always make it as a fashion designer. Whoever he winds up marrying will be the best-dressed woman in Europa.
Also, if I had a list of 'Things I'd Like Tarvek to Do to Me', 'my colors' would be faaar, faaar down on the list ^_-
Well if Agatha goes for the evil queen look, at least her portrait'll fit right in with all the other ones in Castle Heterodyne. And of course, the plan can't just save Europa, but Violetta has to get to go to her parties and have her fancy dresses. Lucky Violetta- she gets to bait Tarvek, talk fashion, and plot at the same time! It's an awesomeness trifecta!
As a former wardrobe consultant (once upon a dim past) I am squeeeeee with delight that someone else remembers that system of colour management <3 <3 <3
Evil Overlord Rule #29: I will dress in bright and cheery colors, and so throw my enemies into confusion.I, for one, am really really looking forward to the time when Violetta actually gets to wear a pretty pretty dress to a big party. Of course something's going to ruin it...
Evil Overlord Rule #29: I will dress in bright and cheery colors, and so throw my enemies into confusion.
. . . okay, are you TRYING to win everyone over to the side of OT3?
Looks like it.Hey, Gil and Agatha could use a hand in that department.Then again, I guess I can't really hold one of Gil's outfits against him. The Jaegers didn't give him much of a choice.
The only problem with Violetta's line of reasoning is Gil.She's assuming that Gil will be a clone of his father, politically.Let's see everyone who agrees with that raise their hands...
He's going to be at least somewhat the boy he already is: very MUCH Klaus' son, in natural tendencies, in training, and in world view. Autocratic, bossy, disinclined to test his premises very far.He's got potential for more, and a very real sweetness and desire for The Good. But he's still the despotic son of a despot, and he's being thrown into a catastrophic situation where despotism may not only be his default, but the most efficient and reliable answer. It's going to take time and a lot of shifts in circumstance for him to have the latitude and certainty to disavow his father's methods given the way things are at the moment. And that's in spite of loving Agatha.His first inclination has always been to do play things out using Klaus' book, merely warping things a bit to try to find some slack in the overall pattern. But for the most part he's a loyal and *convinced* son: he believes in Klaus and his methods. He still believes on a deep level that Klaus is "always right."He hasn't yet faced the truth that will break that certainty wide open. Until he does, Vi's evaluation is unlikely to be far off.Now, he will: it's built into the story structure, and has been a primary challenge from the start. But he hasn't crossed that bridge yet.
He's going to be at least somewhat the boy he already is: very MUCH Klaus' son, in natural tendencies, in training, and in world view. Autocratic, bossy, disinclined to test his premises very far.He's got potential for more, and a very real sweetness and desire for The Good. But he's still the despotic son of a despot, and he's being thrown into a catastrophic situation where despotism may not only be his default, but the most efficient and reliable answer. It's going to take time and a lot of shifts in circumstance for him to have the latitude and certainty to disavow his father's methods given the way things are at the moment.Hm. I strongly disagree. Gil has already shown himself to be very different person from his father. He has repeatedly tried sweet reason and kindness instead of autocratic bossiness and violence ... and he's had the sociopathic princelings of the Empire ignore him. (Remember his first fight with Vole? He was horrified to realize that "This must be what my father feels like all the time!) He's willing to go against his father with respect to keeping Agatha alive, too.Where I believe Violetta's analysis goes profoundly wrong is that she assumes Gil wants power. Frankly, I think that both Gil and Agatha would be happy to be figureheads and let someone with the talent for statecraft (i.e., Tarvek) handle the diplomacy and head-cracking while they engaged in sparkish pursuits.(And there's some evidence that this is how things turn out, at least for Agatha: the canonical short story "Agatha Heterodyne and the Electric Coffin." Whether or not she's married (we can't tell, she's always wearing gloves) she definitely is not behaving like a head of state and ruler of an empire in that story, set after the main Girl Genius storyline.)
[facepalm] Have you ever even considered what the Baron would be like as a ruler if he didn't have to deal with a bunch of spoiled brats with Weapons of Mass Destruction? The despotism is conditional, and just as you said, a strong hand is the most efficient means to a peaceful end right now.If things had come off perfectly, Gil would have been taking over about the same time as the oldest of the Baron's students might be succeeding their parents. Instant United Nations of Europa, or close enough. Unfortunately, everybody got stuck with this instead.The Baron's going to have to be right a while longer.
He still believes on a deep level that Klaus is "always right."On a deep level, Klaus has been "always right" for the past two decades. If he hadn't, he wouldn't still be the head of the Empire ... he'd be dead.Now, in the current storyline, Klaus has been making mistakes. But those have been the result of erroneous information, rather than errors in judgment about true situations.
Ok, it's official: Violetta has it all wrong. Not her fault, really; like Tarvek, she's spent her whole life around the Order and its endless intrigues and power games, so she just assumes that Agatha will want to be politically devious just like every Spark she's ever known. We know better: Agatha is not a power schemer by nature, she is an unselfish hero like her father. She will have precisely zero interest in claiming lands that aren't hers, scheming to undermine the Empire, or in causing chaos and disorder. If Tarvek tries to persuade Agatha to engage in political shenanigans with him, it'll probably make him less appealing to her, rather than more.Politics may complicate Agatha and Gil's relationship somewhat, but it isn't anything that they can't work through. Neither Agatha nor Gil has any real inclination to cause trouble for each other, and they share a common goal of peace, justice and stability. No serious political conflicts will arise between them, except due to a misunderstanding or the meddling of an outside force.
You're missing the point: as things are currently laid out, to marry Gil AND convince him she's not a danger the the empire in his trust, she'd essentially have to set aside most of her temporal independence.The girl she was at the beginning of the story *might* have done that. The woman she's become is The Lady Heterodyne, and she holds her authority for a reason: to protect and defend her domain and her people and to ensure her own liberty.Again, she was willing to die when she thought there was no way to protect Europa from Lu/The Other inside her. But she would prefer to be free and autonomous: she's not THAT self-sacrificing.Yes: she and Gil love each other. However Gil is not good at diplomacy, and he tends to be deeply authoritarian; in the meantime Agatha was never all that inclined to accept authority imposed by the Wulfenbachs.If it could be ensured they would never disagree over anything political, that would be one thing. But as currently presented the two have enormous potential to end up like Henry and Eleanor in "The Lion in Winter": two passionate, driven people who love each other, but rage and strain against each other just as much. (If you haven't seen the movie, you really must: Peter O'Toole and Katherine Hepburn as two aging powerhouses, roaring into the English skies as they fight for control.)
Ooh Fashion. An important consideration while choosing your alignment, indeed. LOL.
Well, Agatha does like the well-built death ray, that's for sure. I don't think she quite likes using it on people as much as most sparks, though.Besides, a Wulfenbach-Heterodyne empire would send anyone running in terror.
I'm wondering if Violetta is a byblow of the old king. Look at these two.
As for Violetta, all I can say is that she not only doesn't know Gil very well, but also doesn't know Agatha very well either. I blame this on the fact that she has been surrounded all of her life by Sparks and other people who are all about power and control, and are willing to do anything to maintain that. It is not because she is evil, she just doens't know any better. Sadly, she is bound to have a rude awakening and I see that as part of her character growth.While I have read the arguments on this page with great interest, I have to still say that they are all kinda mute. Klaus is still alive, and he has Lukevna pulling his strings. Zola is still alive as well. By the end of this arc, Zola will be declared the new Heterodyne and will be married to Klaus (a sham marrage, but one that will bring order back to the Empire). Thus, Lucreiza will gain the power and control she had been working on all of this time, and through Klaus, she can spread that power via conquest and her Wasps.However, all will not be lost. Agatha will escape, likely via the Clays helping her escape. Gil will be presumed dead, but will actually be alive due to the actions of Othar and Sanaa (unlike what happened in the alternate timeline we learned about in Othar's Twitter), and will head off to Britian for some reason (Word of God on this one). I'm not sure what will become of Tarvek, but I assume because of his survival in the Alternate Timeline, he will end up in the "lion's den" - captured by Klaus' forces and forced to aid Lucriza, or she'll have Klaus kill him. In the end, Tarvek could end up in a dangerous game of survival where he attemps to pin Lu and Zola against each other in order to aid Agatha and Klaus (much to his consernation).While I could be wrong, I just don't think it will ever be an issue that Gil being in control of the Empire will be in conflict with his love of Agatha. This is all being set up as just nother part of the "Will they, Won't they" trope the Foglios are working with. By the end of the story, it is possible that the Empire will be no more, and that there will be no way left for Agatha to prove that she is the Heterodyne. Agatha and Gil can have their "ever-after" - as the unassuming Mr. and Mrs. "Lumberjack", living very quiet and peaceful lives without the power and politics and all the trouble that comes with it. I can see that as a nice reward for defeating the ultimate evil, can't you?
While I have read the arguments on this page with great interest, I have to still say that they are all kinda mute. Mute? I'd say they've been pretty vocal, actually.
No, I've had this page on screen for several minutes, and I haven't heard a thing.
You're correct, of course, and I think a lot of us are aware that it's going to be moot soon, but it's a fun hypothetical exercise.A lot of your predictions are speculative and overly detailed, so I doubt it'll turn out exactly as you've laid out. But a lot of it is likely to be accurate.The last part, though - I don't see that happening. Even if the Empire collapses, Gil will always be seen as a political threat to those seeking power. And even if the Castle and all its verification systems are destroyed, people will still be interested in Agatha. Old-school politics, the kind that involves blood, isn't something you can just walk away from and expect to be safe. Once you're in the dangerous game, the only way to reach safety is to win.Besides - in A World Ruled By Mad Science(tm), Europe MUST have some sort of force ruling over it to prevent the re-emergence of devastating, free-for-all war among all the various Sparks. Given the nature of the world it is set in, this story cannot have a happy ending unless someone fills that role. Agatha and Gil are the obvious, best candidates for that post. It'll be a burden to them, but they would rather bear it than allow Europa to be ripped to shreds... again.
Agatha and Gil are the obvious, best candidates for that post."No, there is another ..."Actually, I can think of three other excellent candidates for that position, not counting Klaus.