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April 6th, 2010 (01:29 pm)

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Posted by: Tom Smith (filkertom)
Posted at: April 6th, 2010 08:34 pm (UTC)

Oh shit. The pit. Almost forgot about the pit. Bad bad bad bad bad.

Posted by: marycatelli (marycatelli)
Posted at: April 6th, 2010 08:41 pm (UTC)

They were, after all, at pains to distract you.

Plus of course we assumed that the problem came out of the pit.

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Posted by: ravenclaw_eric (ravenclaw_eric)
Posted at: April 6th, 2010 08:35 pm (UTC)

First! And this is an interesting look at Lucrezia with her "Scientist" hat on. The end of those experiments might have been her biting off more than she could chew, and becoming a vehicle for The Other. (I am fairly convinced that Lucrezia did not start out as The Other, but was taken over by an outside entity of some sort.)

Posted by: Geek of Bronze (shoutingboy)
Posted at: April 6th, 2010 08:41 pm (UTC)
thinking

Oh-ho! Beetle was Lucrezia's teacher, was he? And practically the first time we see him, he's busted for secretly doing experiments on a hive engine.

Maybe he's a bigger player than we thought?

Posted by: marycatelli (marycatelli)
Posted at: April 6th, 2010 08:44 pm (UTC)

been stupider for longer than we thought, perhaps.

then, he lived that long. . . .

Posted by: Corgi, Hound of the Internet (sff_corgi)
Posted at: April 6th, 2010 09:52 pm (UTC)
Comics - Wulfenblimp

He taught that whole generation (as many of them as we know). TPU might have even been where the boys all met Lucrezia in the first place.

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Posted by: Joey B. (meddler_inc)
Posted at: April 6th, 2010 09:06 pm (UTC)
nerd

I do not understand the sixth panel.

However, I do understand the theory behind the mind-transfer machine in Volume Five...

Posted by: fictivore (fictivore)
Posted at: April 7th, 2010 12:34 am (UTC)

That panel seems to be just Lucrezia in Mad-Scientist mode... The tricky part is, why is it in color??? Has there been even a single 'past-panel' in anything but sepia tones till now?

Maybe it's just to show us that Agatha's hair IS the exact! shade as Lucrezia's?? I mean, till now we knew they were both blond and we hypothesized that they'd be the same shade but have we actually been shown that before??

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Posted by: stalkingheron (stalkingheron)
Posted at: April 6th, 2010 09:34 pm (UTC)

Ok, good. We now have some confirmed data points. Otilia does indeed contain some element of Der K's identity. Lu was indeed messing with mind transfer. Interesting that in GG world she masters biological transfer before automata... We knew she had mastered using the machines for some form of mind transfer just based on Sturmhalten, but we now know she was also trying for not just using a machine as a storage/transfer medium, but as an actual receptacle.

Which also clarifies Lu's comment about not sleeping, and how long it's been since she was in a real body, and the claw shown in Vrin's memories of The Lady. It leaves Enigma open, but ups the odds of her being a Lu avatar.

We still don't know when Otilia came into Mongfish or Heterodyne hands. We don't know what further playing around is down at the bottom of the pit.

We do know we have three sick sparks, and any one might be saved by a mind transfer to a mecha body right about now. I will admit I quite hope they keep Tarvek around as Tarvek, not as a new personality for Der K, and Gil likewise. With so many elements in play it's hard to guess what is next in line to occur. The Pit Awaits...and yet we have to Save Our Sparks first.

Moloch, hurry up. Or please let Higgs have beneficially dosed with Dyne Water. Or something. Or please let there be a proper cure or palliative down in the pit.

Sooo. Anyway. A mess of us get to collect a few Moxana points, and return to fretfully wondering What Next.

Posted by: midnightchemist (midnightchemist)
Posted at: April 6th, 2010 11:53 pm (UTC)

I agree with your points, and I should point out that I was right about Lucrezia transfering the Castle's Mind (or at least part of it) into the Muse, but not really for the reasons I cited (to aid the Storm King Plotters in understanding the Castle's AI). It looks like Lu was just experimenting. As to what end, we can only guess, but I would assume it has something to either gaining immortality, gaining the ability to "become" a Heterodyne and thus have full access to the Castle and the Heterodyne secrets, or both.

And who else do we know that fell down that pit? ... and we also have to wonder since a part of the Castle's mind in the Muse's body, where did Otilia's mind go? The answer to both of those questions is easy - Von Pinn.

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Posted by: Dave Van Domelen (dvandom)
Posted at: April 6th, 2010 09:48 pm (UTC)
Narbonic

"Heh heh heh"? That's not der Kestle, that's Dr. Narbon!

Posted by: TheElusiveN (theelusiven)
Posted at: April 6th, 2010 10:07 pm (UTC)
wonderland

I wrote something really coherent, well-edited, and smart, and LJ ATE IT.

I submit that "the result at the bottom of the pit" is Von Pinn. (I'm not confident that Von Pinn is the only thing down there, just that she's what Otilia is referring to.) Von Pinn has told us, in the past, that she was created to look after the Heterodyne family 200 years ago--which would've been during the time of the Storm King and the building of the Muses. Assuming that original Otilia's consciousness was artificial to begin with, and that Von Pinn's construct body is (mostly) organic, then it is possible that panel 4 is depicting the download of muse!Otilia's original consciousness. This would also explain pit!Otilia's failure to respond to Tarvek--the muse consciousness designed to respond to the Storm King is in the body of Von Pinn, with whom Tarvek has never crossed paths. (That, or Tarvek's parentage isn't what he thinks it is, which is also a strong possibility.)

This is also making me question the origin of the name "The Other." Now that we know that there were Lucrezia copies other than Lucrezia Prime, it's possible that the name "The Other" refers to a copy that went bad or had a composite event--"The Other Lucrezia."

Posted by: Flora (sveethot)
Posted at: April 6th, 2010 11:39 pm (UTC)

Faint away, Professoressima. It's been a BIG month for you!

Since Von Pinn was around during Lu's sojourn in de Kestle and if Lu's been playing fast and loose w/intellect transferrance, is what we've been assuming is Von Pinn in actuality a merger of more than one personality or even her original self at all?

My head hurts.

Posted by: Bunsen (bunsen_h)
Posted at: April 7th, 2010 12:03 am (UTC)

And Otilia's role was the Muse of Protection, fitting nicely with Von Pinn's current personality and job of taking care of the youngsters.

Posted by: midnightchemist (midnightchemist)
Posted at: April 7th, 2010 12:08 am (UTC)

You beat me to it, but I agree that Otilia's mind is in the body of Von Pinn, for just the reasons you explained. However, Von Pinn and Tarvek might have crossed paths on Castle Wulfenbach (remember Tarvek did spend some of his childhood there, before Klaus sent him packing). But perhaps Klaus didn't take Von Pinn on until after Tarvek left. It might be possible that Klaus brought Von Pinn on specifically to watch Gil to make sure that his true identity and his Spark were not revealed.

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Posted by: Konrad Gaertner (kgbooklog)
Posted at: April 7th, 2010 01:29 am (UTC)
destroy

This is also making me question the origin of the name "The Other."

I've suspected for a while that Klaus Barry didn't die immediately, but lived just long enough to try to warn people who was responsible. Unfortunately, his lips were too damaged to pronounce the first letter...

Posted by: midnightchemist (midnightchemist)
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Posted by: fictivore (fictivore)
Posted at: April 7th, 2010 12:59 am (UTC)

That really makes so much sense!! I was just wondering, 'ok, so where is Otilia's consciousness now?' and then this!

Till now, one of the major points of contention against Von Pinn's creation by van Rijn, even though a lot of things pointed to it was that she was a construct! We know that sparks tend to specialize and have styles... So was RvR just that talented that he could create both high quality bio-constructs as well as clanks?? But now Von Pinn's personality need not have been biological at all!!

Otilia was the muse of Protection, right? And Von Pinn is all about Protection... Whether it's Agatha, or from Agatha or the kids at Castle Wulfenbach, she's always protecting... And this, firmly places creator = RvR and 'beloved king' = Storm King...

And Carson's insistence that von Pinn was Lucrezia's would have greater credibility coz she could have just made the body (which Carson the Seneschal would be aware of) with her Mongfish Skillz.... It all fits!

And does Lucrezia's new skill, mean Klaus Barry might actually be alive in another 'Jaeger-sniff' proof body? Of course the Castle and the Jaegers wouldn't recognize him (since that seems to be based on blood and body smell) but the mind could be alive...

Also this conversation gives an excellent opener to revelation about Lunevka... If, you know they actually discuss this in front of Tarvek and Tarvek is not playing games... again...

Posted by: Flora (sveethot)
Posted at: April 7th, 2010 01:22 am (UTC)

Okay. Let's examine a possible "Jager-sniff" proof body. Lu's perfected bio-intellect transferrance. Could she have transferred the dying Klaus Barry's intellect into another male child who grew up to be our favorite Bos'n? Heck, even a portion of Lu's intellect could have been passed along, thus explaining why he's so familiar w/the Dyne, etc.

Posted by: fictivore (fictivore)
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Posted by: midnightchemist (midnightchemist)
Posted at: April 7th, 2010 02:14 am (UTC)

It is nice when the pieces fall into place, isn't it?

Interesting that you should mention Klaus Barry's mind being transfered into another body, but whose is the question. Some might say Higgs, but that raises some problems - such as how would the Jaegers know him? Muse-Castle might know about the transfer if it witnessed it, but how would KB be aware of the transfer? KB was a toddler at the time and would not have the mental ability to develop that much of an identity, but Higgs knew the Muse-Castle was about to spill the beans as to his "true" identity. But little KB could be somewhere.. out there.

Something tells me Tarvek isn't going to tell anyone about Lunevka unless his has to, but that situation may come sooner than later (something I have been waiting for, actually. Tarvek needs to face the music on that one).

Speaking of Tarvek... wild idea here... what if he is Klaus Barry? What if Lu transfered the mind of her and Bill's biological son into the body of Aaronev's (and whoever his wife was that was of the Storm King line) biological son. In other words, Tarvek is not really "Tarvek", but is, at least in mind, Klaus Barry. In that way, Lu could have the best of both worlds - she and Arronev could have a "son" together that was still the heir of the Storm King without having any problems with infidelity (in the traditional sense). If true, it would mean that Agatha and Tarvek are siblings - at least in mind and spirit, if not body.

It would also mean that the "true" Tarvek is the one that died on the night of the attack (must have swapped minds between the two toddlers). Which is still very sad, but it would explain why Lu wouldn't care about what happened to him, since her "true son" was with Aaronev.

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Posted by: Павел (commiepig)
Posted at: April 7th, 2010 04:00 am (UTC)
amused

With all that Muse's stammering I can't stop thinking about Shodan x).

Posted by: George Anderson (stdharma)
Posted at: April 7th, 2010 02:06 pm (UTC)
Heh....

L/l/look at you, hacker. A pathetic collection of m/m/meat and bone...

Although Lucrezia is doing a pretty good job of that, since she created the Hive Engines/The Many. When one of the revenants starts muttering, "We are, We Are, WE ARE.." I think I will take to the hills.

Posted by: Bunsen (bunsen_h)
Posted at: April 7th, 2010 04:21 am (UTC)

Panel 2: "Just a bit of harmless brain alteration, that's all..."

Wallace and Lucrezia in The Curse of the Were-Squirrel

Posted by: Patchy (patchoblack)
Posted at: April 7th, 2010 04:22 pm (UTC)

*snicker!* Very good!

While I hadn't thought of it, Wallace does seem to be a "Spark". Who else but a Spark would decide that building a rocket in their garage is a good solution to getting more cheese?

Posted by: Jonathan Fox (jonathansfox)
Posted at: April 7th, 2010 06:59 am (UTC)
Agatha plugs in the power

Woah. I have to concur that the result is probably Von Pinn. It explains how she can be:

1. "A construct of the Lady Lucrezia's" created to be nursemaid to Klaus Barry Heterodyne,
2. Created 200 years ago by a male spark, and given a solemn duty to keep Agatha safe for others, and
3. Tasked by her "beloved King" (a romantic fool) to protect Agatha.

Thus, she was created by Van Rijn, with secret instructions to act as a check to protect against X (where X is, perhaps, a "wild" Heterodyne heir, or a female heir, or some other fairly specific figure like that).

She was created to serve Andronicus Valois, the Storm King, and she served him as her beloved King. He was indeed a romantic fool, as he married a Heterodyne and was surrounded by the muses. The Storm King tasked her with protecting the Heterodyne family.

Then, her consciousness was transferred into the body of Von Pinn, and she was forced to protect the Heterodyne children (or at least Agatha) with her life.

And now she's at the bottom of that pit. Because sending her into the pit is the reason why Agatha shot a hole in the floor in the first place. It all fits.

Posted by: quadibloc (quadibloc)
Posted at: April 8th, 2010 03:06 pm (UTC)

I just happened to notice that in the fourth panel, as Agatha says "Fascinating!", she is also raising an eyebrow.

On the previous page, when she drank a glass of water given her by Higgs, many wondered if that water came from the Dyne. If it weren't for the fact that the Jagermonsters are hardly renowned for the logical nature of their behavior, this could have almost been taken to foreshadow Agatha developing green skin and pointed ears.

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